First 2020 presidential debate

By Melissa Macaya, Veronica Rocha, Kyle Blaine and Jessica Estepa, CNN

Updated 9:24 AM ET, Wed September 30, 2020
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10:35 p.m. ET, September 29, 2020

Trump on NYT report on his taxes: "I don't want to pay tax"

From CNN's Kevin Liptak

President Donald Trump participates in the first presidential debate against Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.
President Donald Trump participates in the first presidential debate against Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden. Win McNamee/Getty Images

President Trump offered a frank defense of himself when questioned about new reporting on the minimal amount in income tax he’s paid: “I don’t want to pay tax.”

It was a defense that amounted to Trump saying the tax loopholes for wealthy Americans are there to exploit — even if, at the same time, he tried to claim he’s paid “millions of dollars” in taxes in the first years of his presidency.

It was a contradictory response, but one that seems to capture how Trump has sought to explain himself since The New York Times first reported details of his tax returns over the weekend.

Trump has simultaneously sought to claim he was doing what everyone else was by avoiding taxes while also insisting he pays millions in taxes, which contradicts the Times reporting that he paid $750 in income taxes in 2016 and 2017.

Somewhat surprisingly, Biden did not seem to grasp on to Trump’s answers for long, even though his campaign has made it a major issue over the past several days.

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10:35 p.m. ET, September 29, 2020

Wallace asks Trump to stop interrupting

From CNN's Maureen Chowdhury

Source: Pool
Source: Pool

After a chaotic first half of the debate, moderator Chris Wallace asked President Trump to stop interrupting.

"Gentlemen! I hate to raise my voice... So, here's the deal we have six segments. We have ended that segment, we're going to go to the next segment. In that segment you each are going to have two uninterrupted moments. In those two [uninterrupted] minutes, Mr. President, you can say anything you want... I think that the country would be better served if we allowed both people to speak with fewer interruptions. I'm appealing to you, sir, to do that," Wallace said.

When Trump tried to push back by stating Biden had interrupted him, Wallace added, "Frankly, you've been doing more interrupting than he has."

10:17 p.m. ET, September 29, 2020

Trump defends packed rallies: "People want to hear what I have to say"

From CNN's Betsy Klein

President Donald Trump defended his large rallies during the coronavirus pandemic, attacking Democratic nominee Joe Biden’s smaller events that largely follow guidelines on gatherings from states and the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. 

Asked why he holds big rallies, Trump said, “Because people want to hear what I have to say,” boasting about crowds of “25 — 35,000 people.” 

Since the World Health Organization declared coronavirus a global pandemic in mid-March, Trump has held 21 campaign rallies, mostly at partially outdoor airplane hangar venues. Three of those rallies — Tulsa, Oklahoma, Phoenix, Arizona, and Henderson, Nevada —were held indoors. Supporters largely do not wear masks and little to no social distancing is observed. 

“So far, we have had no problem whatsoever. It’s outside that’s a big difference, according to the experts, and we do them outside. We have tremendous crowds,” Trump said, neglecting to mention a packed rally at a manufacturing plant near Las Vegas two weeks ago. 

Biden hit back at Trump, calling him “totally irresponsible” and suggesting the President doesn’t care about spread among his supporters: “He never worried about you. He’s not worried about the people out there breathing.”

Trump later hit back at Biden, saying, “If you could get the crowds, you would have done the same thing. But you can’t, nobody can.”

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10:03 p.m. ET, September 29, 2020

Trump again mocks Biden for wearing a mask

From CNN's Gregory Krieg

President Donald Trump holds a face mask as he speaks during the first presidential debate at the Case Western Reserve University and Cleveland Clinic in Cleveland, Ohio on Tuesday.
President Donald Trump holds a face mask as he speaks during the first presidential debate at the Case Western Reserve University and Cleveland Clinic in Cleveland, Ohio on Tuesday. Jim Watson/AFP/Getty Images

More than 200,000 Americans have died from Covid-19 and President Trump is still casting doubt about the effectiveness of wearing a mask – and mocking Democratic nominee Joe Biden for doing so himself.

“I don't wear a mask like (Biden), every time you see him, he's got a mask,” Trump said. “He could be speaking 200 feet away from it, and he shows up with the biggest mask I've seen.”

Biden, when asked about the use of masks, again referenced the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention director’s beseeching of Americans to put them on – and reiterated how many lives could be saved in the coming months if people took his advice.

Trump jumped in to argue to that health officials have said “the opposite” – a false claim that he’s repeated when questioned on the matter.

“No serious person has said the opposite,” Biden shot back.

Trump again interrupted to say that Dr. Anthony Fauci had said precisely that, before noting, almost in passing, that Fauci had changed his position from the very early days of the pandemic.

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9:59 p.m. ET, September 29, 2020

Trump on a coronavirus vaccine: "It is a very political thing"

From CNN's Kevin Liptak

President Donald Trump gestures while speaking during the first presidential debate on Tuesday in Cleveland, Ohio.
President Donald Trump gestures while speaking during the first presidential debate on Tuesday in Cleveland, Ohio. Patrick Semansky/AP

When the notion of politicizing a coronavirus vaccine arose, President Trump made no attempt to tamp down the notion he’s rushing companies to develop one before November’s election.

“I disagree with both of them,” Trump said when questioned about statements made by health experts in his administration — including Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention — suggesting it might be next year before a vaccine is widely available.

Trump said he’s talking to drugmakers himself about developing a vaccine and said they can “go faster than that by a lot” — even though the major drugmakers have all pledged to not make a vaccine available until it meets all safety and efficacy standards.

And he fully embraced the idea that developing a vaccine would be influenced by politics.

“It is a very political thing,” he said.

It was an example of Trump making little attempt to rebut the very thing he was being accused of — making a vaccine a central element of his presidential campaign.

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9:52 p.m. ET, September 29, 2020

Here's who has talked the most so far

After the first half hour of a contentious debate, former vice president Joe Biden is leading slightly in speaking time with more than 13 minutes.

9:59 p.m. ET, September 29, 2020

Biden to the American people: "Do you believe for a moment" what Trump has said on coronavirus?

From CNN's Dan Merica

Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden gestures while speaking during the first presidential debate on Tuesday at Case Western University and Cleveland Clinic, in Cleveland, Ohio.
Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden gestures while speaking during the first presidential debate on Tuesday at Case Western University and Cleveland Clinic, in Cleveland, Ohio. Julio Cortez/AP

Joe Biden turned directly to the camera tonight and asked the American people whether they trust President Trump about coronavirus, noting that the President told journalist Bob Woodward in February that he downplayed the virus.

“Do you believe for a moment what he’s telling you, in light of all the lies, he’s told you about the whole issue relating to Covid,” Biden said, looking straight into the camera. “He still hasn’t even acknowledged that he knew this was happening, knew how dangerous it was going to be back in February, and he didn’t even tell you.”

Biden continued: “He’s on record as saying it. He panicked or he just looked at the stock market, one of the two, because guess what, a lot of people die and a lot more are going to die unless he gets a lot smarter, a lot quicker.”

Trump took issue with the former vice president questioning his intelligence, attacking Biden for graduating from University of Delaware and said he “graduated either the lowest or almost the lowest in your class.”

“Don’t ever use the word smart with me,” Trump said.

The moment highlighted a key difference in the election: Biden has made the virus the most pressing issue of his campaign, while Trump has tried to downplay it on the campaign trail.

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9:43 p.m. ET, September 29, 2020

Wallace to Trump: "You're debating him, not me"

From CNN's Maureen Chowdhury

President Donald Trump participates in the first presidential debate against Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden, moderated by Fox News anchor Chris Wallace at the Health Education Campus of Case Western Reserve University on September 29 in Cleveland, Ohio.
President Donald Trump participates in the first presidential debate against Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden, moderated by Fox News anchor Chris Wallace at the Health Education Campus of Case Western Reserve University on September 29 in Cleveland, Ohio. Win McNamee/Getty Images

President Trump got into a tense exchange with moderator Chris Wallace at the top of tonight's debate as Wallace attempted to ask the President about his health care plan.

Wallace: If I may ask my question sir. Over the last four years you have promised to repeal and replace Obamacare, but you have never, in these four years come up with a plan, a comprehensive plan, to replace Obamacare...
Trump: Yes, I have.
Wallace: To replace Obamacare...
Trump: Of course I have. I got rid of the individual mandate.
Wallace: When I finish, I'll give you an opportunity to...
Trump: Excuse me, I got rid of the individual mandate...
Wallace: That is not a comprehensive plan...
Trump: It's absolutely a big thing...
Wallace: You're debating him, not me. Let me ask my question.

Finally, after a few more interruptions, Wallace was able to ask his question: "What is the Trump health care plan?"

To which Trump responded, "Well first of all, I guess I'm debating you, not him, but that's okay I'm not surprised."

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9:59 p.m. ET, September 29, 2020

Only 20 minutes into the debate, and it's chaos

From CNN's Eric Bradner

President Donald Trump and Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden participate in the first presidential debate at the Health Education Campus of Case Western Reserve University on September 29 in Cleveland, Ohio.
President Donald Trump and Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden participate in the first presidential debate at the Health Education Campus of Case Western Reserve University on September 29 in Cleveland, Ohio. Win McNamee/Getty Images

The debate devolved into chaos in the first 20 minutes, as President Trump repeatedly talked over former Vice President Joe Biden and moderator Chris Wallace of Fox News.

Trump persistently interrupted nearly every Biden answer on the Supreme Court and the candidates' health care plans, as well as Biden's rebuttals to Trump.

The interruptions turned the early portions into a free-for-all in which there was little room to explore policy differences.

Exasperated, about 18 minutes in, Biden turned to Trump and said, "Will you shut up, man?"

Trump ignored Biden and continued talking over Wallace. "Keep yapping, man," Biden said."

"The people understand, Joe. For 47 years, you've done nothing," Trump shot back.

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