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General election 2017: Theresa May struggles to defend 'dementia tax' U-turn in BBC interview – as it happened

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Mon 22 May 2017 15.33 EDTFirst published on Mon 22 May 2017 01.45 EDT

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Q: Isn’t this a manifesto of chaos now? What else will you qualify in the next few days? And what message does it send out to EU leaders, that you are prepared to budge?

May says this shows she is prepared to take tough decisions.

People have a choice, between Jeremy Corbyn and his coalition of chaos, and a government led by her, which has a plan to fix things.

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May's Q&A

Q: [From the BBC’s Laura Kuennsberg] You say Corbyn is indecisive. But you have announced a major change to your manifesto. That is not strong and stable, is it. And where will the cap be imposed?

May says she is setting out a long-term plan for addressing the social care crisis.

We have to start dealing with this now.

The plans are clear in the manifesto. We said we would issue a green paper, she says. And of course we will consult on the plans.

May says Corbyn has claimed elderly people will have to lose their homes. No one will have to lose their family home while they are alive, she says.

Those are the proposals she is putting forward, she says.

Why May's comment about Corbyn making 'fake claims' about Tory manifesto is not true

May’s claim that her manifesto plans on social care were subject to “fake claims made by Jeremy Corbyn” (see 11.48am) is not true.

This is what the manifesto said about social care. It promised a “floor” for costs - a maximum that people would be allowed to retain, when they are paying their care costs, so that people would be allowed to keep their last £100,000. But it did not propose a “cap”, a maximum amount that people would have to spend.

Corbyn’s claim that this would lead to some people pay more was entirely correct.

For the record, this is what the Tory manifesto said.

Under the current system, care costs deplete an individual’s assets, including in some cases the family home, down to £23,250 or even less. These costs can be catastrophic for those with modest or medium wealth. One purpose of long-term saving is to cover needs in old age; those who can should rightly contribute to their care from savings and accumulated wealth, rather than expecting current and future taxpayers to carry the cost on their behalf. Moreover, many older people have built considerable property assets due to rising property prices. Reconciling these competing pressures fairly and in a sustainable way has challenged many governments of the past. We intend to tackle this with three connected measures.

First, we will align the future basis for means-testing for domiciliary care with that for residential care, so that people are looked after in the place that is best for them. This will mean that the value of the family home will be taken into account along with other assets and income, whether care is provided at home, or in a residential or nursing care home.

Second, to ensure this is fair, we will introduce a single capital floor, set at £100,000, more than four times the current means test threshold. This will ensure that, no matter how large the cost of care turns out to be, people will always retain at least £100,000 of their savings and assets, including value in the family home.

Third, we will extend the current freedom to defer payments for residential care to those receiving care at home, so no-one will have to sell their home in their lifetime to pay for care.

May confirms Tories would cap costs in major social care U-turn

May goes on:

But since my manifesto was published, the proposals have been subject to fake claims made by Jeremy Corbyn. The only things he has left to offer in this campaign are fake claims, fear and scare-mongering. So I want to make a further point clear. This manifesto says that we will come forward with a consultation paper, a government green paper. And that consultation will include an absolute limit on the amount people have to pay for their care costs.

So let me reiterate. We are proposing the right funding model for social care. We will make sure nobody has to sell their family home to pay for care. We will make sure there’s an absolute limit on what people need to pay. And you will never have to go below £100,000 of your savings, so you will always have something to pass on to your family.

And what is Jeremy Corbyn’s plan? He can promise a nonsensical, fantasy policy that can only be funded through massive tax rises on younger generations. In fact, just recently he threatened to increase the basic rate of income tax for millions of people from 20 to 25 per cent to fund social care. That tells you everything you need to know about Jeremy Corbyn’s answer to the problem.

The alternative is that he sticks to the status quo, which too often provides poor care and leaves old and vulnerable people having to sell their family homes.

This manifesto provides a better way. With it I’m leading Britain, while Mr Corbyn is simply scaremongering among the elderly and the vulnerable.

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May says Labour has been falsely claiming that people will lose their homes from the Tories’ social care policy.

So she wants to clarify the position, she says.

So today I want to put an end to Jeremy Corbyn’s fake claims and clarify any doubts about our social care policy and the family home. My manifesto is honest and upfront about our challenges. It includes plans to strengthen the social care system with more and sustainable funding to cope with the long-term pressures caused by the fact that we are an ageing society.

Jeremy Corbyn wants to duck this reality - and play politics. But there will be 2 million more people over 75 years old in Britain over the next decade alone. Our social care system will collapse unless we make some important decisions now about how we fund it.

That is why we have to act. And it is why – to give people security – we included in our plans measures to make sure nobody has to sell the family home to pay for care. And we also said that we would protect £100,000 of your savings so, however expensive your care, you can pass something on to your family.

Let’s be clear. This plan replaces the existing system where people often get poor quality care - and stand to lose almost all their savings and assets, including the family home. This plan addresses the worry people have when they have a loved one with a long-term condition, and they don’t know how they’re going to afford to care for them.

So these are good and sensible plans. They provide the beginning of a solution to social care without increasing taxes on younger generations. And, I should say, we are the only party in this election prepared to face up to the reality of our ageing society and offer a long-term solution.

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May says some Welsh constituencies have returned Labour MPs for more than a century. Labour thinks it is entitled to power, she says.

But she says services in Wales are poor. Schools are falling further and further behind, and the NHS is under-performing, she says.

May says the manifesto is a mainstream manifesto from a mainstream party determined to deliver for Britain.

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